Wednesday, September 10, 2014

Reader Question- Finding a Gay Friendly Church

How do I determine if a church is queer-friendly? I'm moving to a new community, and would love to find a place of worship where I (a bisexual woman of faith) could feel welcome worshipping and serving with a partner of any gender.

I'm familiar with Gaychurch.org and other online registries, but I don't know how up to date they are. Should I just email and ask (and if so, what?) Should I scope it out and go up to the pastor after and chat? Is there a certain shrub welcoming churches plant?

I'm ecstatic to start looking for a church home, but I don't want to get invested in a place just to find out I'm not allowed to serve if the person I end up spending my life with happens to not be a man.
-Marie

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Marie, there is not, to my knowledge, a queer-friendly church shrub. But Good Lord Almighty, there OUGHT to be. Thanks for writing in!

No, seriously, I'm all about this. What would it look like? It should probably be rare (so some whacko-fundo church doesn't plant it by accident.) Would it be secret? What would it look like? (Just as an FYI, I don't recommend googling an image for "queer bush" at work. Especially if you work at a church.)

Anyway, to your question. Church shopping is always a difficult proposition, and the need to make sure you would be permitted to serve with a partner is just another item you'd have to add to the list.

For the record, I am going to start off assuming you are looking for a specifically Christian experience. If not, the UU (Unitarian Universalists) would certainly be welcoming.

To start with, paying attention to name brands (denominations) can go a long way in. Your best bet out of the gate is an MCC church. The MCC, or Metropolitan Community Church, was actually founded around the idea of being a pro-LGBTQ Christian Experience, and so you know, walking in, they will be gay-friendly. (While this doesn't necessarily mean you'll jive with the congregation or theology, it's not a bad place to start.) Unfortunately, they're not very big, and so sometimes hard to find.

Any other denomination will be more of a mixed bag. For example, my own denomination, the PC(USA) has recently allowed its ministers to perform gay marriages, and has some gay pastors. That said, any individual church might be less welcoming. So while the name brand is helpful, it's not an assurance. The denominations I have in mind here that are definitely worth checking out  are the Presbyterian Church (USA), The United Church of Christ, The United Methodist Church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America.

I would, in general, avoid non-denominational churches, as they tend to skew quite conservative. So unless a local non-denom has a rep as being LGBTQ friendly, I'd look elsewhere.

Now, once you have picked out a church, call it up and ask the pastor if he can meet with you. Usually, we can, if you call up during the week. Then you can chat with him about his church and their views and ask him, point blank, if you as a sexually active Bi woman would be welcomed. Ask specific questions, like; "What if I come with a partner? What if we wanted to join? Would we be permitted on leadership?"

Now, in some situations, like an MCC congregation, your answer will be a big enthusiastic YES! Others will have a tempered reaction. Don't throw them out straight away. They are likely recognizing the fact that while you will be MOSTLY accepted, there may be a member or two who has issues. This is generally going to be true of nearly any church. She isn't saying you will be hated or ridiculed, but she also doesn't want to present the picture as rosier than it is.

Then, check out worship. If it feels right, if you like the people, if they are fun and welcoming, enjoy! Often, those people the pastor might have been worried about pull a complete 180 when the conversation shifts from "gay people" to specific people they have met.

In the end, church shopping always takes some homework, and we haven't mastered yet how to make shrubbery take the drudgery out of it. But now you've given me the idea, I'll get to work on it!

Pastor Dan*

*Queershrub approved.

3 comments:

  1. A couple other denominations that have come out with strong "loving and supporting" stances, or "affirming of all love" are the Episcopal Church and the United Church of Christ.

    - A UCC pastor who is very proud of her BIG, RAINBOW "God is still speaking," banner.

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  2. Many UCC churches actually advertise their decision to be "Open and Affirming" on their church signs and websites. This is code for acceptance of LBGT orientations. Not a "Shrub" but a signal none the less.

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  3. WHY LOYALTY?

    First of all is about faithful and
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    it is not about the gift it is about being faithful and
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    And I have learned also,


    I have also learned the stage of Disloyalty,

    Becoming Disloyal Is a Process

    Disloyalty doesn’t just happen overnight.

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    such tendency within us.
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    detect disloyalty in any person we work with


    1st Stage
    The Independent Spiri

    disloyalty. When a person
    belonging to a group, ministry or company develops an
    independent attitude

    , he sort of becomes autonomous within
    the set-up. The rules of the organization no longer control
    him. Such a person is still a part of the church but does what
    he wants to do, in spite of contrary instructions.
    For instance, the pastor may say, “We are all fasting on
    Friday.” But the person with an independent spirit would
    think, “I’ve already decided to fast on Wednesday. So that’s
    what I’ll do.”


    .
    The first example of the independence of Joab was in the
    murder of Abner

    o Abner came to David… And David made… him a
    feast… and he went in peace.
    2 Samuel 3:20,21

    But when Joab heard that this man had been entertained in
    the palace, he was furious. He chased him, caught up with
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    tricked him and killed him.

    And... he [Joab] sent messengers after Abner, which
    brought him again… took him [Abner] aside… and
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    2 Samuel 3:26,27



    2nd Stage
    Offence

    The second stage of disloyalty is offence.

    Jesus said,
    And then shall many be offended, and shall betray
    one another, and shall hate one another.
    Matthew 24:10


    Absalom was grievously
    , his half-brother’s rape of his
    sister.

    3rd Stage
    Passivity

    After being offended by one thing or the other, people
    become passive.

    4th Stage
    The Critical Stage

    A disloyal person is not passive forever; he progresses into
    the next step of being critical, This is the stage of noticing
    and magnifying faults.
    ex,
    And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses…
    Numbers 12:1

    And Absalom said unto him, See, thy matters are
    good and right; but there is no man deputed of the
    king to hear thee.
    2 Samuel 15:3

    5th Stage
    The Political Stage

    When a person becomes political, he tries to involve others
    in his ideas and philosophies.

    He wants to gather a
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    Absalom was hurt (offence stage), then he said nothing for
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    of David’s policies (critical stage). Now he began to involve
    other people in his disloyal thoughts.
    And Absalom said unto him, See, thy matters are
    good and right; but there is no man deputed of the
    king to hear thee.
    2 Samuel 15:3

    .
    6th Stage
    Deception

    Most people who rebel are
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    do some of the things they did.

    Most people who have
    rebelled have ended up in destruction

    7th Stage
    Open Rebellion


    This is the stage where deceived insurrectionists fight
    openly against authority. This open fight comes about
    because of the confidence the rebel develops over the months
    and years

    Absalom fought against his father.

    And David said… Behold, my son (Absalom), which
    came forth of my bowels, seeketh my life…
    2 Samuel 16:11



    8th Stage
    Execution

    The end of all rebels is one and the same – execution.
    Rebellion is an essentially evil thing. The Bible teaches us
    that rebellion is as witchcraft.

    For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft…
    1 Samuel 15:23

    The Biblical punishment for witchcraft is execution.

    Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
    Exodus 22:18

    This is what I have learned

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